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CONTEST: The CHEAPFLEET CHALLENGE - Results!
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008, 04:59:35 pm »
After long wait... The results are in!

Congratulations to the winners and thank you to all who participated.

This topic will be locked and stickied and comments can be continued here

Comments from the judges will be coming along shortly within this post.  Listings above will be modified to include winner notification.

Again thank you all!  It was a blast!

Winners please PM me an in-game name that will receive your winnings.  Again only myself and MrCue will be aware of that name.

edited to include all the overall winners and most popular.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 05:14:03 pm by Sky Grunthor »

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Re: CONTEST: The CHEAPFLEET CHALLENGE - Winners Announced!
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008, 05:35:09 pm »
Sniper, yay, almost done. First thing, too many bloody caracals... the lazy persons sniper ship, they all pretty much got low scores partly for the laziness factor, and partly for the time in flight factor.

Sniper Entries:

Frigates:

Ibis by ZergSpartan Rating: 4: lol.. and a surprising range...

Merlin by Mark Interiis rating: 6: Good attempt

Condor by throstur Rating: 2: Not really got the range for a sniper

Imicus by Lavos Rating: 1: Not a sniper now is it?

Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma Rating: 2: A couple of sniper mods will have raised the optimal.

Destroyers:

Catalyst by Mark Interiis Rating: 8 : A good sniper Cat, and yes, it rips inties a new one.

Coercer by Ereinion Erinsal Rating: 7: A tracking comp in the mid would have boosted that range to above 40 km.

Thrasher by demonfurbie Rating: 8: Good fit, no it doesnt have the DPS of the Cat, or the range of the Corm, but it has a hell of an alpha which is another consideration to take into account with snipers.

Cormorant by Xkai7263 Rating: 9: Its the range that does it, the Cormy is simply the most suitable destroyer sized sniper platform out there.

Cormorant by Bap181 Rating: Disqualified, even if it hadnt been it wouldnt have been great.

Cruisers:

Moa  by Xkai7263 Rating: Still has Metal level 4 mods, so i am assuming its disqualified.

Omen by Ereinion Erinsal Rating: 3:

Vexor by demonfurbie rating: 9: I love this fit, nice range and great DPS for a sniper

Maller by mike_codename47 Rating: 7: Too many RCU's for my taste, but good range on it for an unbonused ship.

Vexor by boidi Rating: 7 : Again, I love this setup, did some tests and the tracking on the Bouncers isnt as much an issue as I originally thought it might be, not having the 250 mm rails does hurt it though.

Caracal by Lavos Rating: 3: Range is fine... but passive targeter? Guh. I would rather see some resists on it. I also dont like the time of flight of missile snipers.

Moa by simo98 Rating: 10: Very nice

Rupture by David Me Rating: 1

Caracal by infohata rating: 3

Caracal by throstur Rating: 1: Cap mod overload!

Caracal by luminara Rating: 4

Caracal by Death One Rating : 5

Vexor by Doctor Byttner Rating: 1: It takes long enough for missiles to reach target from range, let alone drones.

Vexor by Spyder Murphy Rating: 1

Moa by Koston Ilias Rating: 7: Not sure about the 2 sensor boosters with mixed scripts, dont really need 2 sebo's with T1 guns and ammo.

Vexor by Ereshkygal Rating: 4: Its a nice idea, but just doesnt work as well as the other two Vexor fits.

Arbitrater  by Iris Maelnier Rating: 1: Its time of travel again, too high.

All in all a mixed competition, there have been some dire entries, been some bloody good ones as well.


This is the one I havnt been looking forward to doing... tanks bore me :D

Tank Entries:

Frigates:

Merlin by boidi Rating: 5: As there are likely to be tacklers along another passive shield amp would have been a better choice.

Rifter by Railwh0re Rating: 4

Rifter by Nethras Rating: 5:

Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma Rating: 2: Too many cap mods for a PvP setup

Punisher by Doctor Byttner Rating: 8 : Good use of the right ship. Should last well till those cap boosters go.

Destroyers:

Thrasher by Prideful Rating: 3: The mix of tanks is a mistake, could have fitted another MSE and an EM resist amp on there.

Cormorant by boidi Rating: 7: About as good a job as you can do when it comes to tanking a dessie

Thrasher by David Me Rating 7: Another good attempt at tanking a Dessie, not really anything to choose between this and Boidi's

Cruisers:

Maller by Blackhawke667 Rating: 2: Just not enough tank, too many cap mods. Looks more like a mission setup than PvP.

Rupture by simo98 Rating: 9: Thats a hell of a tank, true its slow but its not exactly planning on going anywhere fast is it?

Maller by boidi Rating: 9: Another good tank, seems to be all the Maller is good for.

Thorax by Xkai7263 Rating: 6: Will work if there are multiple ships of this type, but spider tanking takes good coordination and communication to pull off.

Osprey by Lavos: Rating: 2: Resists are not good

Caracal by David Me Rating: 7: Caracal isnt the best tanking ship out there, but a good attempt.

Moa by demonfurbie rating: 9: Good tanking ship, again, slow, but its there as a tank, not a damage dealer.

Moa by Kanezor Rating: 4: The lack of resists hurts this one, EM will chew through it in no time

Thorax by rojomojo915 Rating: 2: Too many cap mods.

Gank Entries:

Frigates:

Rifter by Swalesey Rating: 1: No gank in lows

Incursus by demonfurbie Rating: 3: Too much cap recharge, I would have preferred to see a web and a speed mod, I dont believe there is the CPU for a second magstab.

Punisher by Ereinion Erinsal Rating: 1: No gank in lows

Velator by mike_codename47 Rating: 2 Its cheap at least

Breacher by Takon Orlani Rating: 6 Good fit, but room for some improvements. If the AC could be dropped to free up enough grid to remove the PDS and another BCU dropped in  its place the rating would have been higher.

Incursus by Aegis Osiris Rating: 9: Good, solid gank fit.

Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma Rating: 2: empty mid, case of trying to fit too much gank hurts the fit as a whole.

Kestral by simo98 Rating: 9

Rifter  by Simen123 Rating: 1: Not enough gank in lows, too many PDS, and it has a tank!

Destroyers:

Thrasher by ZergSpartan Rating: 1: A tracking comp on a destroyer? Why? Half sniper, half gank, useless at either.

Coercer by Dilalamer Rating:8

Catalyst by simo98 Rating: 9: I love blaster cats, they hurt lots of things.

Cormorant by Prideful Rating: 7 : The corm is a tough one to fit for pure gank, but good go at it.

Thrasher by Simen123 7: It needs a web, other than that it looks fine.

Thrasher by Ltcol 10: Perfect gank destroyer imo, the Cat may be able to lay down more DPS but the versatility of the Thrashers 3 mids just wins it for me.

Cruisers:

Omen by Dilalamer Rating: 6 : This isnt an easy one to judge, I dont like seeing multiple RCU's but then I dont like seeing expensive implants either. Its got a nice DPS though, which helps.

Thorax by bionicamoeba 4: Its an interesting idea, but a blaster boat without a web is at a serious disadvantage. Not only does it stop the other guy running away, but it also reduces transversal which means your guns hurt more. Also, 2 PDS... I would have preferred to see those replaced by a single RCU and a third magstab used.

Rupture by Usaretama rating: 2: Gank, check, web, check... MWD... oh dear. In a close range gank boat you HAVE to have an MWD.

Thorax by Blackhawke667 Rating: 8: A superb fit, what ruins it for me is the requirement for that expensive implant. For the purposes of this challange, if a PDS or RCU been used instead of the EANM I would have given a higher score.

Rupture by Q'uip Rating: 10

Moa by Prideful 9: Moa is not the gankiest ship around but this is an excellent attempt to make it so.

Thorax by boidi Rating: 9

Thorax by Element 22 Rating: 10: Not got the survivability of the plated Rax's or the Ruppy, but its got a hell of a gank.

Vexor by demonfurbie 9: The only problem I see with this is the Sentries are stationary, you are either going to have to scoop them after the fight or constantly have to scoop them then redeploy during it. Hell of a DPS for a T1 cruiser though

Vexor by Death One Rating: 1: Dont mix guns

Rupture by darthkalo Rating: 3: Too many cap mods, no web, good DPS though.

Vexor by Uncle Mo Rating: 8: Not got the DPS of Demonfurbies but Ogres may work better in a knife fight.

Vexor by Doctor Byttner Rating: 1:

Maller by Lavos Rating: 1


EWar Entries: Sensor Jamming, Sensor Dampeners, Target Painters, Tracking Disruptors, Nosferatu and Nuetralizers.

Frigates:

Griffin by simo98 Rating: 8

Reaper by mike_codename47 Rating: 1: It requires an MAPC to fit three mods...

Maulus by Tonto Auri Rating: 6: A solid setup

Griffin by throstur Rating: 2: Not concentrating enough on its role, a distortion amp would have been a better use of the low, and another jammer instead of the MWD.

Crucifier by Ereshkygal Rating: 5: Would bloody annoy a turret ship... putting gank in the lows is a problem though, the ships survival would be enhanced by using speed mods instead.

Griffin by Draeca Rating: 8: Nothing really between this one and Simo's... I prefer Racials personally so I would fly this one myself.

Imicus by Doctor Byttner Rating: 2: Interesting idea but unworkable, small EWar drones just are not effective enough, especially when you can only field 3 of them

Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma Rating: 1: Mixed EWar, not ship bonuses = bad.

Cruisers:

Celestis by AkiU Rating: 7: I would have gone higher, but I am still not certain about its effectiveness. Its a very interesting idea though. Gets my vote for originality. That aside, three damps, bonused ship, so its a solid damp fit.

Blackbird by MonkeYRev Rating: 8: Classic blackbird fit, nothing more to say than that

Celestis by boidi Rating: 7: Another really interesting idea, and this also gets a vote from me for originality. Nice use of scan res damping scripts which will make it a real pain in the backside when the Jamming (either from drones or Blackbirds) kicks in.

Blackbird by Marikhal Rating: 2: Cloak hurts lock time, and with EWar lock time is key. Another ECM and something useful in the highs would have made a far better ship.

Vexor by Lavos Rating: 6: Good idea, replacing a PDS with an RCU and fitting an EANM on instead would have worked far better.

Celestis by simo98 Rating: 7: I prefer a bit more speed on my damp Celestis's, the energy transfer is a nice touch if there are a bunch of you fitted like this though.

Vexor by Doctor Byttner Rating: 2: Time to travel of drones, trying to do too much with the fit leading to a very confused and unfocused loadout.

Blackbird by Uncle Mo Rating: 5: My main problem with this is an ECM boat shouldnt be hanging about once its being fired on, it should have left and come back in onto another sniper spot. Losing the Sensor booster for the cap booster can hurt also, especially when you HAVE to get that interceptor bearing down on you jammed fast so you can warp out...

Bellicose by Timathai Rating: 7: Not a lot wrong with it, I think some other cap mod rather than the cap booster would have been better...a cap battery possibly.
Sorry about the delay, this is the first lot, I'll send them as one message per catagory to make things a little easier.

Tackler Entries: Warp Scramblers, Warp Disruptors and optionally Stasis Webifiers

Frigates:

Executioner by MonkeYRev Rating: 2:
Too many slots taken up with cap recharge modules, lack of low slot speed modules could also be considered a problem

Vigil by Blackhawke667: Rating: 3: Its a good fit, but requiring all level 5 skills and a PG8 implant is in my mind a serious problem. Would have been better dropping the artillery for AC and forgo the requirement for the PG8.

Vigil by bionicamoeba: Rating 3: Speed is good, but use of nos on an out of web range tackler strikes me as somewhat odd. An AC/Nos/Scram fit might have worked better than the mixed range setup here.

Incursus by Takon Orlani Rating: 2: The plate slows this thing down too much, and to be frank a DCU on a frig is going to stave off the inevitable by about a second. A couple of ODI's or an ODI and a nano would have been a far better use of his lows.


Condor by Daggaroth Rating: 1: Afterburner means this is far too slow, had it been an MWD it would have been a more workable fit.

Griffin by Prideful Rating: 4: It was an interesting idea and may work in frigate gangs, the main problem though is the lack of speed. This is more a second wave tackler than a first catch.

Vigil by boidi Rating: 6

Vigil by Railwh0re Rating: 6: Again, a solid beyond web range tackler, personally I would have accepted greater cap drain and gone for an additional ODI or nano in place of the cap power relay.

Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma Rating: 1: Too many cap mods, and the single damp is useless for the range the ship is operating in.

Executioner by Doctor Byttner Rating: 6: Works well, a beyond web range tackler doesnt need an Istab though, would have been a better choice to put an ODI or Nano in there instead

Rifter by rockstara rating: 7: Good close in tackler, the lows work well to get a good tight orbit. Its going to blow up, but it will get the job done

Destroyers:

Thrasher by boidi Rating: 6: Speed is ok, decent buffer. Destroers are not really good tacklers but a decent attempt

Thrasher by Falcord Rating: 2: An interesting idea but not really a primary tackler.

Cormorant by Ereshkygal Rating: 5: I think an ODI or an Istab would have been better in the lows to beef up orbit speed somewhat.

Cruisers:

Thorax by Xkai7263 Rating: 4: It will work, but the Plate simply makes it too slow for my liking.

Bellicose by boidi Rating: 5:

Stabber by demonfurbie Rating: 7: Does the job, not sure about the cap booster though.

Stabber by Orbitz Dawn Rating: 2: This would have been my winner... until I noticed it was a warp scrambler not an inhibitor... so orbiting at 18 km you wouldnt be able to takle the target.

Caracal by throstur Rating: 2: Too many cap mods,  the target painters are not really required with the Assault launchers, I think this would have benefitted from an shield extender and another speed mod in the lows, possibly a web as well.

Arbitrator  by Antarr Rating: 3: More a solo ganker than a dedicated tackler

Maller by darthkalo Rating: 1: Too slow with all those plates, only half highs used.

Caracal by Timathai Rating: 1: Shield extender and some speed mods might have worked a tad better... too much gank and not enough speed.


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Re: CONTEST: The CHEAPFLEET CHALLENGE - Winners Announced!
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 05:37:07 pm »
Frigates:

1. Ibis by ZergSpartan
2. Sniper - Frigate
3. 5
4. Funny, 5 points for the effort, but you need a lot of Pilots and convince them to fly this to make it useful.
5. -

1. Merlin by Mark Interiis
2. Sniper - Frigate
3. 4
4. Only 1 SeBo, too much tank and not enough Range for a Sniper
5. -

1. Condor by throstur
2. Sniper - Frigate
3. 3
4. It shoots Missiles ... it´s not really a Sniper ... it doesn´t get many points.
5.

1. Imicus by Lavos
2. Sniper - Frigate
3. 6
4. This is so funny and unconventional, i just had to give it more than 5. Definitely in the "Most Original" Competition.
5. Qualifies for Most Original !

1. Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
2. Sniper - Frigate
3. 2
4. The category is called "Sniper" .. this one doesn´t have a single Mod to increase Range/Damage on Turrets, and it doesn´t even use all Turretslots.
5. -


Destroyers:

1. Catalyst by Mark Interiis
2. Sniper - Destroyer
3. 8
4. Good try, nice Range, and does a lot of things right for a Sniper.
5. -

1. Coercer by Ereinion Erinsal
2. Sniper - Destroyer
3. 8
4. Nice, nice ... it snipes
5. -

1. Thrasher by demonfurbie
2. Sniper - Destroyer
3. 9
4. Very nice Range ... and nice Alpha with the Arties. Good.
5. -

1. Cormorant by Xkai7263
2. Sniper - Destroyer
3. 10
4. YAY .. this is a Sniper ... 70k Range with T1 stuff on a T1 Destroyer and barely no cost. Absolute win for this category in this class. (comment: It´s using Meta 4 Equipment, the Optical TCs are one level too high. But the rest of the Fitting is alright .. so ... be gentle)
5. -

1. Cormorant by Bap181
2. Sniper - Destroyer
3. 0 N/A
4. That Tracking Computer is COSMOS Equipment, i don´t think that´s within the Cheapfleet mindset. And the Fitting isn´t really awesome, too.
5. -


Cruisers:

1. Moa  by Xkai7263
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Well, Optical Tracking Comps again ... they don´t qualify for Cheapfleet Fittings ... but the Fitting itself is good.
5. -

1. Omen by Ereinion Erinsal
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 4
4. 44k isn´t really Sniping Distance for a Cruiser, although the idea to fit Damps is funny.
5. -

1. Vexor by demonfurbie
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 10
4. I just have to give 10 ... Superior Damage at an Okish Range for a Cruiser. Nice !
5. -

1. Maller by mike_codename47
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 6
4. Average Range for a Cruiser, but 2 RCUs ... :-/
5. -

1. Vexor by boidi
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Another nice take on the Sniping Vexor, although it lacks a bit Range ... 50k isn´t enough to call it a good "Sniper".
5. -

1. Caracal by Lavos
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 6
4. Not too bad .. Range is okish, Alpha is high, but the Passive Targeter is a wasted slot imo. And the Painter ... needed in few situations only. I´d rather fit a MWD or some more Buffer.
5. -

1. Moa by simo98
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Superior Range .. ok, it´s a Moa ... good Fitting, although i´d like to see a bit more Locking-power, i.e. more SeBo/SigAmp to get your Damage in quick.
5. -

1. Rupture by David Me
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 3
4. Not a Sniper ... doing too many other things
5. -

1. Caracal by infohata
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 7
4. I´m torn ... i can´t quite say anything tbh ... need to test/see this to believe in its usefulness.
5. -

1. Caracal by throstur
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 2
4. Wasting 3 whole MedSlots only to get a Permarunning MWD, and 1 SeBo on a Sniping ship that could use 2 at least.
5.

1. Caracal by luminara
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 5
4. Didn´t post a lot of stats, that´s -1 from me, and after all, those are Missiles and we´re talking about Snipers. I like to see Turrets here :-/
5. -

1. Caracal by Death One
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 6
4. Soooooooo many "Sniping" Caracals ... well, this one´s at least putting all those Mids to good use.
5. -

1. Vexor by Doctor Byttner
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 3
4. Mixing soo many things, Drones travel a few months before they hit, and a tank .. for a ship in the "Sniper" category.
5. -

1. Vexor by Spyder Murphy
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 3
4. Using the wrong Drones imo ... Snipers need Sentry Drones, everything else travels a year before it hits anything.
5. -

1. Moa by Koston Ilias
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 7
4. RCU ... only to fit a useless Launcher .. without the Launcher it would fit with a PDS and have a Spare High for a Cloak for example.
5. -

1. Vexor by Ereshkygal
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 9
4. Highly specialized, but achieving a good Range and good Damage with the right skills. Was tempted to rate it lower, but it´s actually pretty good even with the 4 stacked SigAmps and all that.
5. -

1. Arbitrater  by Iris Maelnier
2. Sniper - Cruiser
3. 4
4. Yeh ok .. it has 2 Drone Nav Comps, but the Drones are still slow as. And further Drone Range than Locking Range is just a wasted slot or even 2 with that CPU being there only for the Drone Links.
5. -
Frigates:

1. Merlin by boidi
2. Tank - Frigate
3. 3
4. 4 Midslots, 2.5 dedicated to tanking, not good enough for this category.
5. -

1. Rifter by Railwh0re
2. Tank - Frigate
3. 4
4. 3 Lows, 2 for tanking, very unstable Cap and MAPC only for Weapons and such ... 400mm Plate isn´t bad though, that´s where the 4 points are coming from.
5. -

1. Rifter by Nethras
2. Tank - Frigate
3. 5
4. At least this one has 3/3 Slots for tank, but still ... not a huge tank even for a Frigate.
5. -

1. Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
2. Tank - Frigate
3. 5
4. At least it´s Cap Stable (unneuted) and all that, but still doesn´t tank a whole lot.
5. -

1. Punisher by Doctor Byttner
2. Tank - Frigate
3. 9
4. Finally ... something fresh, something new ... it fields 2 Mods for Resists, and 2 Reppers that can be run even when neuted, 4/4 Slots for tanking. YES
5. -


Destroyers:

1. Thrasher by Prideful
2. Tank - Destroyer
3. 4
4. Mixing passive and active tank, mixing Armor and Shield Tanking, only Resists coming from the DmgControl ... not satisfying
5. -

1. Cormorant by boidi
2. Tank - Destroyer
3. 4
4. Has to be a SPR, and maybe even two Extenders ... fek the guns, it´s the TANK Category.
5. -

1. Thrasher by David Me
2. Tank - Destroyer
3. 8
4. It´s a tank ... good
5. -


Cruisers:

1. Maller by Blackhawke667
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 5
4. 3 Adaptives (stacking) and a Heatsink that doesn´t help the Tank, not enough.
5. -

1. Rupture by simo98
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 9
4. OMG, 38k EHP on a Cruiser is so sick ... this deserves 9. Can´t give it 10 because it´s "only" a Buffertank and doesn´t have a MWD on top of that. Still a very nice one
5. -

1. Maller by boidi
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 9
4. That´s a lot of tanked DPS for a Cruiser ... very good.
5. -

1. Thorax by Xkai7263
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 5
4. Not enough EHP ... downgrade the guns and fit more Tank for more points in this Category.
5. -

1. Osprey by Lavos
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 2
4. ... no
5. -

1. Caracal by David Me
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 8
4. I like Caracals (who cares anyway) .... nice Fitting, dedicated to tanking, and good Buffer on top of the 110 sustained.
5. -


1. Moa by demonfurbie
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 9
4. Again over 30k EHP for a Cruiser, while having a nice Recharge and good Resists. Very nice tank, that´s another 9 points.
5. -


1. Moa by Kanezor
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 6
4. Resistances .. resistances ... oh where are your resistances.
5. -

1. Thorax by rojomojo915
2. Tank - Cruiser
3. 7
4. Nice EHP, nice mix of Active and Passive tanking (yes, in this case it isn´t too bad actually).
5. -

Frigates:

1. Rifter by Swalesey
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 2
4. 150mm Autos, no Gyros in Gank Category. Wasting the Med with the CapBooster where a Web could be placed to hold stuff in place.
5. -


1. Incursus by demonfurbie
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 6
4. Desperately trying to make it Cap Stable and thus wasting some precious slots. Web would have been nice
5. -

1. Punisher by Ereinion Erinsal
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 1
4. 7.5k Scram and CloseRange weapons while you´ll have a hard time orbiting that close with the MWD on. Speedtank = Operating out of Webrange or maintaining a very very tight orbit. On top of that, this is the Gank Category; no Heatsink...
5. -

1. Velator by mike_codename47
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 4
4. At least it has Blasters and a Hobgoblin, but this isn´t a lot of gank, even though it´s funny.
5. -

1. Breacher by Takon Orlani
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 7
4. Very original, with a high Alpha for a Frigate. I like it, it´s a new idea Good try
5. -

1. Incursus by Aegis Osiris
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 8
4. This has gank, web, and even good cap. Very good.
5. -

1. Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 7
4. I don´t like the empty Midslot, maybe one less Gyrostab would have freed up more CPU to use the Mids a bit better. But it certainly has gank. Not bad at all.
5.

1. Kestral by simo98
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 9
4. Winner of the GankFrigates, this one deals good DPS, is fast, has Web and it puts a Caldari ship to good use in PvP Nice one
5. -

1. Rifter  by Simen123
2. Gank - Frigate
3. 5
4. Focusing too much on tank and PDS/Recharge/all that ... no Gyrostab.
5.


Destroyers:

1. Thrasher by ZergSpartan
2. Gank - Destroyer
3. 4
4. Compared to all the other GankDestroyers, this one´s just not cutting it. MAPC only to fit the Arties, while with a MWD ACs could provide even more gank .. i dunno, doesn´t convince me.
5. -

1. Coercer by Dilalamer
2. Gank - Destroyer
3. 8
4. Great Fitting with a lot of Gank. Only the Nano makes it a little nimble while you need as much Buffer as possible. Good one though.
5. -

1. Catalyst by simo98
2. Gank - Destroyer
3. 9
4. I really really really love this and it has HUGE gankabilities, but i checked in EFT and you could fit a web instead of the SeBo, which would make more sense as you´re not there to tackle, and the 0.5 seconds you hit your target earlier don´t really matter if it´s tackled. Very nice Fitting though.
5. -

1. Cormorant by Prideful
2. Gank - Destroyer
3. 8
4. Lots of gank and it has a good Buffer with the Medium Extender, although i think it focuses too much on tackling. Awesome Solo Kill-Or-Be-Killed Fitting, but this is a Fleet-contest where Tacklers tackler and gankers stay alive and gank.
5. -

1. Thrasher by Simen1232. Gank - Destroyer
3. 10
4. This one wins, hands down. It has loads of Buffer, loads of Gank, can pwn stuff even when neuted, and does basically everything this category needs right. Awesome.
5. -

1. Thrasher by Ltcol
2. Gank - Destroyer
3. 8
4. Not a single bit of Buffer, not even one Med Extender ... but it has gank, so i have to give it 8 points. 10-2 for the 2 missing Extenders.


Cruisers:

1. Omen by Dilalamer
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 3
4. Although it has a lot of DPS, 2 RCUs is just wrong on so many levels ...
5. -

1. Thorax by bionicamoeba
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 9
4. Lovable Fitting, It focuses on lots of gank and a good Buffer with the Shields. Nice and original idea, qualifies for most original, too
5. Qualifies for most Original

1. Rupture by Usaretama
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 7
4. I really like the gank this thing is putting out, but the lack of a MWD is just too big to justify more than 7 points.
5. -

1. Thorax by Blackhawke667
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 6
4. Good, solid gank Fitting without too much Buffer though. Nice DPS, quick death if you get locked. Using an Implant to fit gets this one only 6 points though :-/
5. -

1. Rupture by Q'uip
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Solid GankRupture, nothing to criticize, but lacks the oomph to get 10 points.
5. -

1. Moa by Prideful
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 9
4. Awesome Gank Fitting with nice Buffer/tank and good DPS.
5. -

1. Thorax by boidi
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Classic Gankrax ... what else do i need to say
5.

1. Thorax by Element 22
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Even though it lacks a bit on the buffer-side of gank fits it gets 8 points because of the Dualwebs. Dualwebbing people is just soo mean ... hum, yeh
5. -

1. Vexor by demonfurbie
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 9
4. I haven´t really checked if this thing really gets 500 DPS, but if it does, it wins the gank category for sheer DmgOutput of a T1 Cruiser. Unfortunately it needs an RCU and has absolutely no Buffer, so there goes the 10 points.
5. -

1. Vexor by Death One
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 2
4. Where´s the gank...
5. -

1. Rupture by darthkalo
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Does a lot of things right, and if used with another 2 or 3 of these, can be deadly.
5. -

1. Vexor by Uncle Mo
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 6
4. I don´t know, attempt to Spidertank while needing a RCU. And no Plate, if you Spidertank you basically need plates to buffer a little Damage til your mates´ help kicks in.
5. -

1. Vexor by Doctor Byttner
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 1
4. Wrong category ? Fail in the Gank Category ...
5. -

1. Maller by Lavos
2. Gank - Cruiser
3. 4
4. Lack of MWD and Active tank with Cap-using Weapons and no CapBooster ... in PvP ... nope, not in my world
5. -
Frigates:

1. Griffin by simo98
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 6
4. I´d rather use 4 Racials, especially on a Frig, and 3 Salvagers is overkill for PvP-salvaging. Either you have the time, or you don´t, so get some other stuff in there.
5. -

===

1. Reaper by mike_codename47
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 2
4. Yeh, it´s funny at least, but in this category it doesn´t get more than 2 points ... granted, it´s as cheap as it can get (though the MAPC isn´t really that cheap), but still, it´s not really a capable EWar ship.
5. -

===

1. Maulus by Tonto Auri
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 8
4. Does a lot of things right, and will be a PITA against solo targets.
5. -

===

1. Griffin by throstur
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 3
4. Again, 3 Multispecs isn´t really good on this Frig imo. And a BCS ? Seriously, this is the EW Category, needs a Distortion Amp.
5. -

===

1. Crucifier by Ereshkygal
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 8
4. Very, very nice Fitting. Cheap, and nobody would expect such a small, almost never flown Frigate to cripple their Turrets to a state called "useless".
5. -

===

1. Griffin by Draeca
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 9
4. This one´s doing it pretty right ... Racial Jammers, Distortion Amp, and even some basic Dmg. Not bad.
5.

===

1. Imicus by Doctor Byttner
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 3
4. Gets 3 points for originality and idea, but 3 Jamming Hornets won´t quite cut it.
5. -

===

1. Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
2. EWar - Frigate
3. 5
4. I´m torn ... Could give this 10 for being original and not at all useless, but could also give 1 for using a Jammer on a Non-caldari ship, and mixing EW. No idea, might work .. 5 points from me
5. -

===

Cruisers:

1. Celestis by AkiU
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 9
4. Very good start in the EWar Cruiser Category. Uses 3 types of EWar on one ship ... the Vespas can Jam Cruisers and smaller, the Neuts/NOS will trouble everything, and the Dampeners will save your ship from being killed the first 30 seconds. Nice one.
5. -
 
===

1. Blackbird by MonkeYRev
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 7
4. Bogstandard Blackbird, can´t do many things wrong here. Solid 7 points.
5. -

===

1. Celestis by boidi
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 7
4. Was tempted to rate this one higher, but considering it´s EWar Category it doesn´t quite EWar as much compared to AkiU´s Celestis. Nice Damage and nice Fitting overall though !
5. -

===

1. Blackbird by Marikhal
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 7
4. This one´s good for deciding a Battle the first 20 Seconds, when you need to lock hostile Jammers first. Not sure about the Smartbombs really
5. -

===

1. Vexor by Lavos
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 6
4. Pretty original, and not to be underestimated. But 5 Small Neuts and the Vespas don´t quite cut it imo. Nice Fitting nonetheless.
5. -

===

1. Celestis by simo98
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 7
4. 4 mean Damps, some Buffer and even some quick support for your gangmates, i like it !
5.

===

1. Vexor by Doctor Byttner
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 3
4. Sorry, but 5 Vespas that need 20 seconds to travel to your target, and an Omnidirectional Tracking Link occupying that valuable Midslot ... nope
5. -

===

1. Blackbird by Uncle Mo
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 8
4. 3 or more of these in a gang will a) survive, b) jam the living  out of hostiles, c) be fun to fly. Very nice Fitting, pretty original, 8 points.
5. -

===

1. Bellicose by Timathai
2. EWar - Cruiser
3. 6
4. I was about to rate this 3 or lower, but if used in the right gangs this is actually a good Fitting. Not for general Cheapfleet usage, but with some Ravens you´re a cheap and welcomed friend in the gang.
5. -

Frigates:

1. Executioner by MonkeYRev
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 6
4. Is really cheap and tackles, but lacks Web and the certain oomph to win this competition.
5. -

===

1. Vigil by Blackhawke667
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 8
4. Really good Tackler, with Web and Point and lots of Speed. BUT needs an Implant and All Lvl V to fit, which isn´t really in the Cheapfleet Mentality imo.
5. -

===

1. Vigil by bionicamoeba
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 10
4. This one is my winner in the TacklerFrig Competition, it fits with normal skills, is fast, has a Web (needed nowadays) and does basically everything right.
5. -

===

1. Incursus by Takon Orlani
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 9
4. Very nice take ... take this one if you´re into Closerange blasterboats and are experienced with operation in WebRange. Nice one.
5. -

===

1. Condor by Daggaroth
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 5
4. This one really is -CHEAP-. Although it´s not the perfect tackling Frigate due to lack of Mids and Lows, it´s fast and you can waste a dozen of them without caring about losing too much ISK.
5. -

===

1. Griffin by Prideful
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 0 (1)
4. This one needs to be disqualified: Use of Digital Booster MWD, and use of Hypnos Jammer, that´s bestnamed and not within Cheapfleet rules.
5. -

===

1. Vigil by boidi
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 6
4. Very good take, too. Can be put to nice use in a Missile-heavy gang, but is therefore lacking the Web (unfortunately). Can´t give more points than 6, sorry.
5. -

===

1. Vigil by Railwh0re
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 7
4. Nice twist with the Battery, and the chance to earn a few ISK by salvaging T2 Wrecks, but lacking Web.
5. -

===

1. Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 9
4. This one almost made it to 10 points, but the lack of Web (Nanofags make it a necessity) put it down to 9.
5. -

===

1. Executioner by Doctor Byttner
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 4
4. It´s fast, cheap, and it tackles ... but Cap isn´t very stable with guns and MWD, and even without guns the MWD + point doesn´t run for long. And: No Web due to lack of Mids
5. -

===

1. Rifter by rockstara
2. Tackler - Frigate
3. 3
4. Does sooooooo many things so right, would deserve 8-10 points, BUT: Wrong freaking guns. Rails use Cap and 75mms do totally fukall Damage. Wrong
5. -

===

Destroyers:

1. Thrasher by boidi
2. Tackler - Destroyer
3. 7
4. It has a Web, thank god ... but it´s lacking a NOS, which would be very useful to keep the point on all the Neuting Cruisers/BCs/BS out there.
5. -

===

1. Thrasher by Falcord
2. Tackler - Destroyer
3. 6
4. Very original, but lacking the Web. Can be put to use in some circumstances, but i wouldn´t classify this as a classic Tackler. Nice try though, fun to fly i assume.
5. -

===

1. Cormorant by Ereshkygal
2. Tackler - Destroyer
3. 9
4. Yes , yes, yes .... It has a point, a web, a MWD and even a Buffer. The only thing it´s missing to get 10/10 is a NOS. I can see why there´s ACs and not Rails despite the bonuses of the ship, Cap IS an issue on Tacklers.
5. -

===

Cruisers:

1. Thorax by Xkai7263
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 7
4. Really a 'heavy' Tackler, good for holding BS in place if the cavalry isn´t out more than 2 jumps. Not bad.
5. -

===

1. Bellicose by boidi
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 4
4. I have to admit, it´s a nice try and good idea, but: 2.5k m/s isn´t enough to stay alive; there´s no Web; and there´s no NOS to keep you alive when you´re being neuted.
5. -

===

1. Stabber by demonfurbie
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Stabbers are just about the best Tackling Cruisers out there (almost, we´ll see), and this one does almost everything right. It focuses too much on Damage and not enough on Cap to keep the Point/Web on though.
5. -

===

1. Stabber by Orbitz Dawn
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 8
4. Another good try on a Stabber, this one´s a little faster than demonfurbie´s but still .. no Cap to keep yourself alive or the point on the target if you´re being neuted.
5. -

===

1. Caracal by throstur
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 6
4. So many Mids, and still no Web .. and no one in this competition thought about a Sensor Booster on a Tackling Cruiser, this one would certainly qualify for one, with 5 Mids.
5. -

===

1. Arbitrator  by Antarr
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 10
4. Absolute WIN. Does just about everything right ... very nice try. Will stay alive due to NOS, has Medium Buffer, has a Web (thaaank you), Tracking Disruptors are really useful and often overlooked, and you can even jam your target with Drones.
5. Qualifies for most Original Award.

===

1. Maller by darthkalo
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 7
4. Very nice Buffer, but a little slow and only 3 Small NOS ... i´m not sure about this one. Maybe drop the 800mm to fill the highs with more CapMods, who knows. Doesn´t look perfect imo.
5. -

===

1. Caracal by Timathai
2. Tackler - Cruiser
3. 7
4. I was tempted to give this 3 points, but then looked at it again and I have to say: Good one. Has Web and Tracking Disruptor which will help you stay alive. Cap Booster takes care of hostile Neuts, and it certainly fulfills its role as a cheap Tacking Cruiser.
5. -

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Re: CONTEST: The CHEAPFLEET CHALLENGE - Winners Announced!
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 05:38:47 pm »
Gank Entries:

Frigates:

Rifter by Swalesey
Rifter - Frigate - Swalesey - 5
    - Should go for a damage mod over the DCU.
Incursus by demonfurbie
Incursus - Frigate - demonfurbie - 4
    - Decent DPS
     - No web
url=http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,22433.msg108860/topicseen.html]Punisher by Ereinion Erinsal[/url]
Punisher - Frigate - Ereinion Erinsal - 3
    - Not very gank (49dps)
    - Great speed
    - Would be better in tackler category but could work as 'anti-tackler gank' I guess..
Velator by mike_codename47
Velator - Rookie Ship/ Frigate - mike_codename47 - 6
    - Super cheap
    - cost effective
Breacher by Takon Orlani
Breacher - Frigate - Takon Orlani - 4
    - Author stated to let others tackle, pilot stays at range. Then the setup needs to lose the 1 point.
    - Possibly fit a mwd and cap recharger?
    - A/C looks out of place with a frig designed for missles.
Incursus by Aegis Osiris
Incursus - Frigate - Ageis Oisiris - 6
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
Rifter - Frigate - Sytoru Hirshyma - 3
    - Empty Mid Slot
Kestral by simo98
Kestral - Frigate - simo98 - 8
    - Tried and true setup
Rifter  by Simen123
Rifter - Frigate - Simen123 - 3
    - Low DPS
    - No damage mod


Destroyers:

Thrasher by ZergSpartan
Thrasher - Destroyer - ZergSpartan - 5
    - Artys for gank?
Coercer by Dilalamer
Coercer - Destroyer - Dilalamer - 9
    - Good use of low slots.
    - Good 'gank' dps for a dessie
Catalyst by simo98
Catalyst - Destroyer - simo98 - 10
    - Sweet gank for a dessie
    - Would prefer a web over the SeBo
Cormorant by Prideful
Cormorant - Destroyer - Prideful - 8
    - Good overall fit
    - Slots used wisely
Thrasher by Simen123
Thrasher - Destroyer - Simen123 - 8
    - Nice damage
Thrasher by Ltcol
Thrasher - Destroyer - Ltcol - 9
    - Sweet DPS
    - Would prefer shield buffer instead of warp scram

Cruisers:

Omen by Dilalamer
Omen - Cruiser - Dilalamer - 8
    - Plenty of gank for it's class
    - ECM drones instead of standard lights would be better IMO
Thorax by bionicamoeba
Thorax - Cruiser - bionicamoeba - 5
    - No web
Rupture by Usaretama
Rupture - Cruiser - Usaretama - 5
    - No AB/MWD
    - Would prefer 4 AC's as that is what the ship is bonused for.
Thorax by Blackhawke667
Thorax - Cruiser - Blackhawke667 - 7
    - Pretty Standard
Rupture by Q'uip
Rupture - Cruiser - Quip - 10
    - Nice damage
    - Nice buffer
Moa by Prideful
Moa - Cruiser - Prideful - 8
    - Good Slot Usage
Thorax by boidi
Throax - Cruiser - boidi - 5
Thorax by Element 22
Thorax - Cruiser - Element 22 - 8
    - Dual-webb rax, interesting
    - Looks solid
Vexor by demonfurbie
Vexor - Cruiser - demonfurbie - 10 - Original Pick!
    - Like the idea of using sentry drone in vexor
    - Really good dps
Vexor by Death One
Vexor - Cruiser - Death One - 4
    - Standard plated vexor until you count the high slots
    - Mixed weapons = mixed optimal ranges = No
    - Mixed weapons = need to carry two types of ammo for each range = No.
Rupture by darthkalo
Rupture - Cruiser - darthkalo - 4
    - Needs cap boosters
    - Not cap stable enough to make use of the 'turtle tanking' concept
Vexor by Uncle Mo
Vexor - Cruiser - Uncle Mo - 4
    - Trying to turtle tank with unstable cap = No
    - Time/surviveability gained by 'turtle tanking' is negligable due to restricted movement and cap
Vexor by Doctor Byttner
Vexor - Cruiser - Doctor Byttner - 4
Maller by Lavos
Maller - Cruiser - lavos - 5





Tank Entries:

Frigates:

Merlin by boidi
Merlin - Frigate - boidi - 6
Rifter by Railwh0re
Rifter - Frigate - Railwh0re - 6
Rifter by Nethras
Rifter - Frigate - Nethras - 7
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
Rifter - Frigate - Sytoru Hirshyma - 7
Punisher by Doctor Byttner
Punisher - Frigate - Doctor Byttner - 6

Destroyers:

Thrasher by Prideful
Thrasher - Destroyer - Prideful - 5
Cormorant by boidi
Cormorant - Destroyer - boidi - 5
Thrasher by David Me
Thrasher - Destroyer - David Me - 7
    - Decent attempt at a passive tank

Cruisers:

Maller by Blackhawke667
Maller - Cruiser - Blackhawke667 - 6
    - Might go with specific resists over adaptive
Rupture by simo98
Rupture - Cruiser - simo98 - 6
    - TONS of armor, good baitship
Maller by boidi
Maller - Cruiser - boidi - 8
   - Good idea with projectiles for more cap stability
Thorax by Xkai7263
Thorax - Cruiser - Xkai7263 - 8
    - Turtle tank
Osprey by Lavos
Osprey - Cruiser -  Lavos - 5
Caracal by David Me
Caracal - Cruiser - David Me - 7
    - Not a bad passive setup
Moa by demonfurbie
Moa - Cruiser - demonfurbie - 7
Moa by Kanezor
Moa - Cruiser - Kanezor - 3
    - No resists
Thorax by rojomojo915
Thorax - Cruiser - rojomojo915 - 3




Sniper Entries:

Frigates:

Ibis by ZergSpartan
Ibis - Rookie Ship / Frigate - ZergSpartan - 7
    - Ultimate cost effectiveness (free ship, dirt cheap modules)
    - Limited combat effectiveness b/c it's a rookie ship.
    - Less likely to be a target since it's a rookie ship.
    - Adds tiny dps, but still helps
Merlin by Mark Interiis
Merlin - Frigate - Mark Interiis - 7
    - Well balanced setup
    - Could see this as a 'vanilla' fitting for a specific role.
      (cheap, decent range, low-skilled, cost effective, frig)
Condor by throstur
Condor - Frigate - throstur - 6
    - Different: missle sniper frig
    - Cheap = cost effective
Imicus by Lavos
Imicus - Frigate - Lavos - 3
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
Rifter - Frigate - Sytoru Hiroshyma - 3

Destroyers:

Catalyst by Mark Interiis
Catalyst - Destroyer - Mark Interiis - 7
    - Great damage for a sniper dessie (almost gank)
Coercer by Ereinion Erinsal
Coercer - Destroyer - Ereinion Erinsal - 3
    - Web on a sniper boat = NO
    - Trade web for AB, tracking comp.
    - Drop one or tracking enhancer for cap mod, DCU
Thrasher by demonfurbie
Thrasher - Destroyer - demonfurbie - 6
    - Decent sniper dessie
Cormorant by Xkai7263
Cormorant - Destroyer - Xhai7263 - 6
    - Decent sniper dessie
Cormorant by Bap181
Cormorant - Destroyer - Bap181 - 4
   - Web on a sniper = No IMO

Cruisers:

Moa  by Xkai7263
Moa - Cruiser - Xkai7263 - 9
    - Excellent range
    - Great use of rep drones
    - Overall, very nice
Omen by Ereinion Erinsal
Omen - Cruiser - Ereinion Erinsal - 5
    - Would like to see at least one tracking computer scripted for range and possibly one more heat sink.
    - Range is short, even for a cruiser sniper setup
    - One too many damps
Vexor by demonfurbie
Vexor - Cruiser - demonfurbie - 9
    - Nice use of sentry drones
    - Decent range
    - Good/Great DPS
Maller by mike_codename47
Maller - Cruiser - mike_codename47 - 5
Vexor by boidi
Vexor - Cruiser - boidi - 8
    - Range is slightly sub-par IMO
Caracal by Lavos
Caracal - Cruiser - Lavos - 5
    - Good DPS
Moa by simo98
Moa - Cruiser - simo98 - 8
Rupture by David Me
Rupture - Cruiser - David Me - 4
    - Lack of optimal range mods cause lack of sniper role
    - Just a lackluster setup.
Caracal by infohata
Caracal - Cruiser - infohata - 4
Caracal by throstur
Caracal - Cruiser - throstur - 6
Caracal by luminara
Caracal - Cruiser - luminara - 5
Caracal by Death One
Caracal - Cruiser - Death One - 7
    - Standard
Vexor by Doctor Byttner
Vexor - Cruiser - Doctor Byttner - 1
    - Extreme drone range makes this useless as a long-range vessle
Vexor by Spyder Murphy
Vexor - Cruiser - Spyder Murphy - 1
    - Another extreme drone range vexor
Moa by Koston Ilias
Moa - Cruiser - Koston Ilias - 8
Vexor by Ereshkygal
Vexor - Cruiser - Ereshkygal - 10
    - Original
    - Good application of concept to fitting Arbitrater  by Iris Maelnier
Arbitrator - Cruiser - Iris Maelnir - 1
    - Extreme Drone Range


Whew, Done! lol

EWar Entries: Sensor Jamming, Sensor Dampeners, Target Painters, Tracking Disruptors, Nosferatu and Nuetralizers.

Frigates:

Griffin by simo98
Griffin - Frigate - simo98 - 7
    - Good basic ewar setup
    - Multis for close range = good
    - Salvagers, creative
Reaper by mike_codename47
Reaper - Frigate - mike_codename47 - 5
Maulus by Tonto Auri
Maulus - Frigate - Tonto Auri - 7
    - Standard fit, pretty much.
Griffin by throstur
Griffin - Frigate - throstur - 7
    - Not bad combination of ECM and missles.
    - Figured jamming strengths wrong: Jamming strengths do not stack! (not 15 total)
    - Each jammer has seperate chance based on % (jammer strength / sensor strength)
    - Other than that, not bad.
Crucifier by Ereshkygal
Crucifier - Frigate - Ereshkygal - 6
    - Used bonuses
    - Lows need to be reworked for cap stability
Griffin by Draeca
Griffin - Frigate - Draeca - 6
Imicus by Doctor Byttner
Imicus - Frigate - Doctor Byttner - 6
    - Nice idea with ECM drones
    - Limited use
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
Rifter - Frigate - Sytoru Hiroshyma - 4

Cruisers:

Celestis by AkiU
Celestis - Cruiser - AkiU - 4
    - Range / dampener issue: can only really use scan res script while in range to use nos/neuts.
    - Cannot really speedtank while in range for nos/neuts. (web and orbiting problems)
    - IMO, ECM drones should be SD drones.
Blackbird by MonkeYRev
Blackbird - Cruiser - MonkeYRev - 7
    - Good standard blackbird fit
    - Longer range = more fleet than gang use
Celestis by boidi
Celestis - Cruiser - boidi - 7
    - Looks good: ECM drones and scan res scripted dampeners
Blackbird by Marikhal
Blackbird - Cruiser - Marikhal - 5
    - Cloaking device hurts lock time a lot
    - Limited mobility while cloaked.
    - Avg fit except for the cloak.
Vexor by Lavos
Vexor - Cruiser - lavos - 6
    - Nice concept - mini neut domi
    - Seems like it would work, cap-stability over longer period of time would be questionable.
Celestis by simo98
Celestis - Cruiser - simo98 - 7
Vexor by Doctor Byttner
Vexor - Cruiser - Doctor Byttner
    - Extreme drone range = Fail
    - Too much time to wait for drones to deploy and return
    - Weapons that dont reach to drone's optimal
    - No.
Blackbird by Uncle Mo
Blackbird - Cruiser - Uncle Mo - 9 - Original Pick!
    - Needs 2 ships to work
    - I Like the turtle tank idea
Bellicose by Timathai
Bellicose - Cruiser - Timathai - 9
    - Good use of proper mods
My Tackler Ratings. Hope this format is ok.

Tackler Entries: Warp Scramblers, Warp Disruptors and optionally Stasis Webifiers

Frigates:

Executioner by MonkeYRev
Executioner - Frigate - MonkeYRev - 6
Vigil by Blackhawke667
Vigil - Frigate - Blackhawke667 - 5
Vigil by bionicamoeba
Vigil – Frigate – bionicamoeba - 5
Incursus by Takon Orlani
Incursus - Frigate - Takon Orlani - 4
Condor by Daggaroth
Condor - Frigate - Daggaroth - 3
Griffin by Prideful
Griffin - Frigate - Prideful - 6
Vigil by boidi
Vigil - Frigate - boidi - 8
Vigil by Railwh0re
Vigil - Frigate - Railwhore - 10 - Original Pick!
    - Nice use of cap battery
    - Fast
    - Does what its supposed to, tackle.
     - Cap stable
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
Rifter - Frigate - Sytoru Hiroshyma - 3
Executioner by Doctor Byttner
Executioner - Frigate - Doctor Byttner - 4
Rifter by rockstara
Rifter - Frigate - rockstara - 4

Destroyers:

Thrasher by boidi
Thrasher - Destroyer - boidi - 8
Thrasher by Falcord
Thrasher - Destroyer - Falcord - 7
    - Very interesting, and could work in special situations.
Cormorant by Ereshkygal
Cormorant - Destroyer - Ereshkygal - 8

Cruisers:

Thorax by Xkai7263
Thorax - Cruiser - Xkai7263 - 7
Bellicose by boidi
Bellicose - Cruiser - boidi - 8
    - Uses ship's bonus to TP
Stabber by demonfurbie
Stabber - Cruiser - demonfurbie - 9
    - Nice speed and weapon range.
Stabber by Orbitz Dawn
Stabber - Cruiser - Orbitz Dawn - 2
    - Speed tank + web = no IMO
Caracal by throstur
Caracal - Cruiser - throstur - 5
Arbitrator  by Antarr
Arbitrator - Cruiser - Antarr - 7
Maller by darthkalo
Maller - Cruiser - darthkalo - 6
Caracal by Timathai
Caracal - Cruiser - Timathai - 4
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Re: CONTEST: The CHEAPFLEET CHALLENGE - Winners Announced!
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 05:40:30 pm »
Sniper Entries:

Frigates:

Ibis by ZergSpartan
rating 7
Ibis by ZergSpartan     lol factor… original, but not that usefull realy… just not enough DPS.    Yes its cheap though.. lol 
Merlin by Mark Interiis
rating 8
Good DPS and range for a sniper frig
Condor by throstur
rating 7
1 empty high is a downer, this just does not have enough DPS.  Range is fine, and has great speed.  But not enough DPS. 
Imicus by Lavos
rating 5
not a sniper in my opinion.  And he is doing logistics as well which is fine.  But if drones die, he is no longer dishing out any DPS.    I personally do not rate this a sniper.  Different idea ya, but not a sniper
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
rating 6
this just does not have enough range to be a good sniper.  Decent dps and speed, but not enough range

Destroyers:

Catalyst by Mark Interiis
rating 8
not a bad sniper fit for a destroyer.  decent range and DPS but can't compete with the cormorant posted
Coercer by Ereinion Erinsal
rating 5
this bairly can lock within its own falloff does not even reach optimal.  So not enough locking range
Thrasher by demonfurbie
rating 6
This cannot even lock at its optimal range, so this will not work they way the OP described
Cormorant by Xkai7263
rating 9
This cormorant has by far more range then all the other destroyers which makes it a better sniper in just about any situatuation.  This has better DPS, and range  then all other snipers posted. 
Cormorant by Bap181
rating 5
this just does not have the DPS or the range to compete with the other cormorant posted.   And it has a web??? It’s a sniper, there is no need for a web at all

Cruisers:

Moa  by Xkai7263
rating 0
disqualified due to stuff higher then meta 4
Omen by Ereinion Erinsal
rating 6
not enough range IMO to be a good cruiser sniper
Vexor by demonfurbie
rating 10
This rocks, only limitation it has is your sentries can’t move, but once you start fireing you typically do not move a lot anyway in snipers.  This has a lot of DPS, great range, and its very original
my vote for most original!!!

Maller by mike_codename47
rating 6
middle of the pack fitting.  Nothing real special about it.  Range is to short.
Vexor by boidi
rating 7
1438 M/S (USEFULL TO GET IN POSITION I GUESS, BUT USELESS AFTER THAT SINCE YOUR USING SENTRIES) still a good idea, but mixing your optimal ranges like that realy limits you
Caracal by Lavos
rating 8
DON’T realy like missle snipers because of the delay time for missles to get to the target.  Rails will always be better because of the instant alpha, but this fit is good none the less.
Moa by simo98
rating 8
good fit, the moas are all very similar, they all are good fits
Rupture by David Me
rating 5
YES this has a big buffer, but snipers should not have a buffer.  This does not have enough range to be a good snipe cruiser
Caracal by infohata
rating 8
Missles boats just do not make an as effective sniper as a rail gun sniper will do the the delay of fireing.    This is interesting though because you put jammers on it.  Makes the fit more interesting and it snipes with other usefull mods
Caracal by throstur
rating 8
this has good dps for a caracel sniper, and good speed to keep out at range.  Still, missles are not an as effective sniper as rails are
Caracal by luminara
rating 0
did not qualify due to not posting stats per the contest rules.
Caracal by Death One
rating 7
The problem with this fit is the damps only work to 75k, so they are useless, unless you get closer to the target which makes this less of a sniper.  But the mwd does help with that.
Vexor by Doctor Byttner
rating 5
this is not a sniper IMO.  Drone travel time and the ability for targets to pop your drones before the get there make this not usefull.  And the fact that yes you can assign drones to a tackler, but they can still be poped, and you are more of a DPS support ship then a sniper
Vexor by Spyder Murphy
rating 5
this is not a sniper IMO.  Drone travel time and the ability for targets to pop your drones before the get there make this not usefull.  And the fact that yes you can assign drones to a tackler, but they can still be poped, and you are more of a DPS support ship then a sniper. 
Moa by Koston Ilias
rating 8
good fit, the moas are all very similar, they all are good fits
Vexor by Ereshkygal
rating 7
I am not sure if the nuets for defense, and the reper for your drones, are better then extra DPS.  Since the category is for sniping, I have to rate the one with more DPS higher because it fits the category better IMO.  But I like this fit. 
Arbitrater  by Iris Maelnier
rating 5
this is not a sniper IMO.  Drone travel time and the ability for targets to pop your drones before the get there make this not usefull.  And the fact that yes you can assign drones to a tackler, but they can still be poped, and you are more of a DPS support ship then a sniper



lol finaly done...  I am glad i could be a judge.   let me know if you need anything else from me or if i screwed something up!! lol
Tank Entries:

Frigates:

Merlin by boidi
rating 7
this is not cap stable, and is a faily standard passive fit frig
Rifter by Railwh0re
rating 6
not cap stable, decent buffer, but not enough def rating, or speed
Rifter by Nethras
rating 6
not cap stable  decent buffer but not enough DEF rating or speed 
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
rating 6
this is cap stable,  but has the lowest EHP and not enough speed or def rating
Punisher by Doctor Byttner
rating 8
NOT AT ALL CAP STABLE  I hate to give the highest rating to a duel rep loudout… but IMO it’s the best even though the cap will not last more then a minute even with 200 charges.  It has a decent EHP, it is the fasted fit, and has the best tank while it lasts compaired to the other entries.

Destroyers:

Thrasher by Prideful
rating 5
Yes this has a larger buffer, but the purpose of a tanked ship is to still be usefull, duel tanking makes ships less usefull due to extra PG being used where it could be put in other areas of the ship.  Plus you should not use an extender and a booster together.   And its not cap stable. 
Cormorant by boidi
rating 7
SOMEWHAT CAP STABLE  not a bad attempt at tanking a cormorant, decent buffer but the defense rating is to low, and the ship is to slow
Thrasher by David Me
rating 8
best tank if the 3, good buffer and defense rating, but the ship is still a bit slow with this fit.  But the dessi is not easy to fit for most uses.

Cruisers:

Maller by Blackhawke667
rating 6
Pulse with no speed, or web.  Decent stats but not realy usefull due to lack of speed or tackle gear
Rupture by simo98
rating 9
this is realy the only fit posted that has good numbers and is still usefull to a fleet. 
Maller by boidi
rating 7
  1 empty high slot is a downer.  this does at least have some use with the scram, web and mwd.  Though it is not cap stable at all.
Thorax by Xkai7263
rating 7
yes as a spider tank this would rock, but have to rate it on the ship itself.  Not bad, even though its not cap stable, it still can serve the purpose of trying to bait and hold the target until your guys get there
Osprey by Lavos
rating 4
This is just not good.  You are mixing active and passive tanks, and not getting good numbers either way.  It is slow, not cap stable, and has no tackle gear
Caracal by David Me
rating 5
This does have a respectable tank, it is just slow, and has no tackle gear.  So realy does not have a role in a fleet.  Typically a tank will either still put out decent DPS, or it will hold down targets or something
Moa by demonfurbie
rating 7
CAP STABLE, still puts out decent dps, but its slow and has no tackle gear.
Moa by Kanezor
rating 6
ALMOST CAP STABLE, has a cyno on it??  Its only a tank (a decent one), and does not have enough use to be usefull to a fleet
Thorax by rojomojo915
rating 7
with drones still puts out decent dps but has no tackle gear to be that usefull in a fleet.  And its slow
Gank Entries:

Frigates:

Rifter by Swalesey
rating 4
this is not focused enough to be considered gank IMO.  This is more of a tackler.  It fails horribly in the gank category with only 29dps 
Incursus by demonfurbie
rating 7
good gank fit, 133 dps, good speed.  But I think a web is a must since it is blaster fitted.
Punisher by Ereinion Erinsal
rating 5
not enough DPS to be a good gank fit.  49 DPS is not gank.  This is more of a tackler.
Velator by mike_codename47
rating 6
lol getting 80 DPS out of a velator is great!  But its not very effective as a gank ship… blasters with no web is no good.  But it does have the lol factor. 
Breacher by Takon Orlani
rating 5
again, not enough DPS for me to consider it a good gank ship,   And its slow and will have trouble getting in range for the 1 gun
Incursus by Aegis Osiris
rating 9
good gank fit, blasters, web, and a scram to help.  Nothing wrong with this fit.
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
rating 7
good DPS and speed, but I do not like seeing a empty mid slot. 
Kestral by simo98
rating 8
good gank for a kesi, good DPS, speed is not bad.  Only problem is I think the incursus, and rifter are better gank ships.  So if one of those has a good fit as well, it will win due to the ship being better.
Rifter  by Simen123
rating 6
good fit for its intended use, but not enough DPS for the gank category

Destroyers:

Thrasher by ZergSpartan
rating 7
I am going by the original fit which had a TP on it.  DPS is not bad,  good mobility.  But the TP is not needed.
Coercer by Dilalamer
rating 8
good DPS at 173, good speed,  only downfall is its close range with no web but the ship does not have an extra mid for that
Catalyst by simo98
rating 9
great gank desi!  DPS of 266, only thing this is missing is a web because it is a must to hold target at that range.  If it had a web, it would be a 10. 
Cormorant by Prideful
rating 8
good gank fit just not enough DPS for it to win the title for me.  Good buffer, web, and scram. 
Thrasher by Simen123
rating 8
good gank fit with a buffer,  but still needs a web to be a better ranking.  DPS is good.
Thrasher by Ltcol
rating 10
this one wins it because it has good DPS and a web!! The catalyst should have won this category due to higher DPS but it didn’t for me because it had no web. 

Cruisers:

Omen by Dilalamer
rating 8
Good gank fit.  Good DPS, it has web and scram so fits the role well
Thorax by bionicamoeba
rating 7
Good amount of gank, and a buffer, but no web to hold the target down.      to be effective gank IMO a WEB is a MUST for a blaster boat 
Rupture by Usaretama
rating 7
needs a MWD or at least an AB.   And should have 1 more turret to take advantage of the bonuses more.  But good DPS
Thorax by Blackhawke667
rating 7
great DPS, but the PG8 is way to expensive for a cheapfleet fit.  Blasters, web, and scram are good and has good speed.  Gets a 7 because of the cost
Rupture by Q'uip
rating 9
good DPS gank fit with web, scram, mwd, and a buffer tank.  Can’t ask for more out of a rupture.
Moa by Prideful
rating 7
great loudout with good buffer tank, but not enough DPS for me to qualify this as a good gank ship. 
Thorax by boidi
rating 9
good fit, good DPS, web, scram, MWD, and a buffer.  Only thing this is missiong is the meta 3 items which your stats were wrong by my calculation I got 383 DPS.  Maybe making it meta 3 would have got it up to 405 like you stated. 
Thorax by Element 22
rating 10
great gank thorax, great DPS,  speed, and the duel web is a nice touch
Vexor by demonfurbie
rating 9
on this are tricky  but is defenitaly a lot of gank, blasters, web, scram mwd, and sentry drones.  Very interesting fit!  But I can’t rate it the best gank ship because of the sentries being limited to range, and it being difficult to get them in the right place. 
Vexor by Death One
rating 7
not enough gank to be the best gank fit.  But its got a good buffer and web, scram, mwd
Rupture by darthkalo
rating 7
good fit for its intended use, but this category is for gank, so I cannot give a higher rating because you substituted some gank for logistics and nos. 
Vexor by Uncle Mo
rating 9
good gank fit, even though your numbers where wrong… actually get about 425 dps with max skills.  The remote rep is a nice help for the rest of your fleet as well. 
Vexor by Doctor Byttner
rating 4
this is not a gank fit.  You do not have the DPS to be a gank setup, this is just added DPS.
Maller by Lavos
rating 5
no mwd, or web to get in range, and does not have enough DPS for a gank ship
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EWar Entries: Sensor Jamming, Sensor Dampeners, Target Painters, Tracking Disruptors, Nosferatu and Nuetralizers.

Frigates:

Griffin by simo98
rating 8
Good ewar, but i don't like seeing salvagers on an ewar boat, typicaly that role is filled by other ships in the fleet.  i would preffer to see a bit of offense on there to deal with drones ect..

Reaper by mike_codename47
rating 5
you get the lol factor, but its just not very effective.
Maulus by Tonto Auri
rating 8
very effective fit for a maulus.  could not find anything wrong with this
Griffin by throstur
rating 6
not a bad fit, but I do not see a need for the ab on there, and the nos is not needed either unless you are using to leach off of a sniper or something.  This is a solo fit not a fleet fit. 
Crucifier by Ereshkygal
rating 6
no need for speed mods on an ewar ship like this.  TD work at a much longer range so IMO the ship should be setup that way
Griffin by Draeca
rating 9
I like this fit, racials are less cap intense and give a better optimal.  Fits the role very well
Imicus by Doctor Byttner
rating 7
Very original idea!!   Not effective enough to win the ewar category, but the idea is good.
my vote for most original!!

Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
rating 7
original idea, would work for a hydra fleet, but it is not the most effective ewar setup 

Cruisers:

Celestis by AkiU
rating 8
Very original fit, and it is very effective at what it is meant to do, nuet nos, and damp, with a speed tank.  I like it.  this almost won the category for me as well, but I had to give it to the blackbird since I have never been able to test this to see its effectiveness.
my vote for most original!!

Blackbird by MonkeYRev
rating 8
Good fit, i like the use of the mods, i do not like seeing an empty high slot, but i know you don't have alot of options there.

Celestis by boidi
rating 7
original idea, but mixing gank and e-war is typically not a good idea.  For fleets it might work, but I would preffer to see a more, EWAR focus in the EWAR category.  But the loudout does look good.

Blackbird by Marikhal
rating 9
good ewar fit, sacrificing 1 jammer to add more range, has drone defense and a cloak

Vexor by Lavos
rating 7
original fit, but I don’t think it would be very effective in most situations.  There is not enough tank on this to keep it alive long to nuet.  Once they see you are neuting, its all over for you because you will be on the target.  But it does have some good points. 
Celestis by simo98
rating 8
good fit for a celestis, not sure about the cap transfer though, good use of damps, and the MWD to get in and out of range.  Guns for additional DPS and plenty of damps.  And it has a small buffer
Vexor by Doctor Byttner
rating 6
original idea, but not very effective for a cruiser in the EWAR category, and the OP got a bit out of hand in defending his fit as well
Blackbird by Uncle Mo
rating 6
good jammers, but I do not like seeing empty high slots, or a plate on there.  Jammers should focus on jamming not defense.
Bellicose by Timathai
rating 6
not a bad fit, but 2 TPs are not any near as effective as a lot of the other ewar loudouts so I cannot give this a high rating.  Its not EWAR focused.
Tackler Entries:
Frigates:

Executioner by MonkeYRev
rating 7
Decent speed with scram outside of web range, but i don't think the lows are optimal.

Vigil by Blackhawke667
rating 8
This is fast, cheap, close range scram and web, goo range on the guns, but the only downer i had was 1 empty high slot
Vigil by bionicamoeba
rating 6
this is fast, cheap, has 20k disruptor, and is from your discription supposed to be outside web range but you have a web, close range guns and nos.  and its not cap stable.
Incursus by Takon Orlani
rating 8
speed is ok, close range web and scram mix well with the close range weapons.  only issue i had with this one is its not cap stable, but you don't need that much for a frig that gets in web range.
Condor by Daggaroth
rating 5
not fast enough, and the empty high slot turned me off on this fit.
Griffin by Prideful
rating 7
trying ot fill to many roles with the jammer/tackling, and the jammer will be way out of its optimal when you tackle, but it has good speed and good ranges on the other mods.  don't like the empty high slot. 
Vigil by boidi
rating 7
fast, cheap, good range on mods and the painter to help the fleet.  but its not cap stable.
Vigil by Railwh0re
rating 9
this is fast, good ranges, its cap stable, and it has a salvager for after the fight (if you live lol) so all in all there was nothing to point out as a flaw in this fit.  i liked it.
Rifter by Sytoru Hiroshyma
rating 8
not bad on speed, decent range setup and the damp to help the fleet, but i would have liked to see the lows a bit differently.
Executioner by Doctor Byttner
rating 6
yes its fast and cheap, but its not cap stable, and I-stabs are not needed on frigs.  could be optimized.
Rifter by rockstara
rating 8
good speed and ranges on your mods, nothing realy wrong with this fit. 

Destroyers:

Thrasher by boidi
rating 8
does have web, scram, and decent DPS.  for a dessi, it would be hard to make a better tackler.

Thrasher by Falcord
rating 6
interesting fit, but being a destroyer, its not fast enough to hold range well so a web would be necisary IMO for this to be optimal.
Cormorant by Ereshkygal
rating 7
not a bad fit, good choice in mods, good DPS for a tackling dessi, and it has a decent shield buffer.

Cruisers:

Thorax by Xkai7263
rating 9
fits the heavy tackler role well.  decent speed with NOS/neut, effecient buffer tank with ecm drones to boot.  I could not find anything wrong with this.
Bellicose by boidi
rating 8
fast with good choice in mods. could not realy find anything wrong with the fit.
Stabber by demonfurbie
rating 8
great speed with 3587 m/s, only issue i found with this is your guns are right on the outside of their falloff at your sugested orbit range and ammo so you are not opimal on your fit.
Stabber by Orbitz Dawn
rating 7
great speed, but your guns are not at optimal for their intened use, and IMO, if the ship is supposed to get in web range, it needs some sort of buffer tank, if not the guns need to hit closer to optimal from outside web range.
Caracal by throstur
rating 7
interesting fit, but DPS is very low for a cruiser that is tackling
Arbitrator  by Antarr
rating 8
TD, web, scram, nos/nuet, and ecm drones.  many roles being filled by this ship but i think it actualy does a decent job of it.  it is a bit slow for cruiser size tackler but i like it.
Maller by darthkalo
rating 6
for tackling its not bad, but i don't like seeing empty high slots.  good bait/tackle setup though.
Caracal by Timathai
rating 7
not a bad tackler, but a bit slow for its intended use.  having the ability to take out other tackler frigs with ease is a bonus.


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